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‎Genghis/Gog/Ejug

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 =Genghis/Gog/Ejug=
-Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the [[Gibborim|gigant]]ic women of Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1 Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
+Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the [[Gibborim|gigant]]ic women of Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
 =External links=

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 :the second Tauris (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]]),
 :the third Avar (Avôr - [[Eurasian Avars|Avar]]),
-:the fourth Uauz (Ugin - [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]]),
+:the fourth Uauz (Ugin),
 :the fifth Bizal (Bizel - [[Pechenegs|Pecheneg]]),
 :the sixth Tarna,
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 #  Tilmac (Tilmic/Tirôsz - [[Tauri]])."
 #  Aliqanosz (the [[Alans]])
-#  Buz (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
+#  Buz (Uauz)
 #  Pacinak (the [[Pechenegs]])
 #  Turqi (Ashina Gögtürks)
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 # Tulmes (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]])
 # Alan (the [[Alans]])
-# Buz (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
+# Buz (Uauz)
 # Pasinaq (the [[Pechenegs]])
 # Turq (Ashina Gögtürks)
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 # Tilmaz (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]]).
 # Elicanum (the [[Alans]])
-# Bid (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
+# Bid (Uauz)
 # Parzunac (the [[Pechenegs]])
 # Tarki (Ashina Gögtürks)

← Older revision		Revision as of 00:30, 6 March 2013
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−	'''Togarmah''' (Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos) were the original '''Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217''' Karluk-speaking proto-'''Turkic''' Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the ~~(Kazakh-Nogay)~~ nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.	+	'''Togarmah''' (Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos) were the original '''Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217''' Karluk-speaking proto-'''Turkic''' Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.

	Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.		Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.

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 =Genghis/Gog/Ejug=
-Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the gigantic women of Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1 Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
+Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the [[Gibborim|gigant]]ic women of Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1 Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
 =External links=

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 =Genghis/Gog/Ejug=
-Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the gigantic women of Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
+Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the gigantic women of Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1 Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.
 =External links=

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	The Arabic account however, also adds an 11th clan: Anszuh.		The Arabic account however, also adds an 11th clan: Anszuh.

		+	=Genghis/Gog/Ejug=
		+	Genghis, the Ashina Gögtürks descendant from the Ashinas and the gigantic women of Ogygia who settled in Phanagoria was of this lineage. The name Genghis is related to the word Ogygia both meaning Oceanic.

	=External links=		=External links=

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−	'''Togarmah''' (Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos) were the original Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217 Karluk-speaking proto-Turkic Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the (Kazakh-Nogay) nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.	+	'''Togarmah''' (Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos) were the original '''Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217''' Karluk-speaking proto-'''Turkic''' Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the (Kazakh-Nogay) nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.

	Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.		Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.

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−	'''Togarmah''' were the original Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217 Karluk-speaking proto-Turkic Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6.	+	'''Togarmah''' (Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos) were the original Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217 Karluk-speaking proto-Turkic Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the (Kazakh-Nogay) nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.
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−	~~Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos~~
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−	The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation\|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the (Kazakh-Nogay) nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.

	Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.		Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans. According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.

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-'''Togarmah''' were the original Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217 Karluk-speaking proto-Turkic Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6. Josephus identifies these people with the Phrygians (see [[Gomerite Nation |Gomer]]). Other sources have Barberia (Targum Yonathan; Targum on Chronicles 1:6), which some identify as Germania, Barbara, or Britannia. Indeed there are sources that render Togarmah as Germaniki or Germania (Yerushalmi, Megilla 1:9; Bereshith Rabbah 37; Targum on Ezekiel 38:6). There are other sources that identify Togarmah with the Armenians (Keseth HaSofer) or Turks (Abarbanel). Indeed, in a modern sense, Togarmah is used for Turkey. The name Togarmah corresponds to Tegarma, found in cuneiform inscriptions, referring to an area near Carchemish in Armenia.
+'''Togarmah''' were the original Y-DNA Haplogroup C-M217 Karluk-speaking proto-Turkic Nations; See Ezekiel 27:14, 38:6.
 The Tocharian Ashinas were the descendants of Cimmerians who had learned a "Centum" language while their ancestors were in the Ukraine from Anatolian language speaking refugees from Troy, such as the Etruscans.
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 Also in his letters, King Joseph ben Aaron, the ruler of the Khazars, writes:
 "You ask us also in your epistle: "Of what people, of what family, and of what tribe are you?" Know that we are descended from Japhet, through his son Togarmah. I have found in the genealogical books of my ancestors that Togarmah had ten sons. These are their names:
-:the eldest was Ujur (Agiôr - [[Uyghur people|Uyghur]]),
+:the eldest was Ujur (Agiôr - [[Uyghur]]),
 :the second Tauris (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]]),
 :the third Avar (Avôr - [[Eurasian Avars|Avar]]),
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 In Jewish sources too Togarmah is listed as the father of the [[Turkic peoples]]:
 The medieval [[Judaism|Jewish]] scholar: [[Joseph ben Gorion]] lists in his ''[[Josippon]]'' the ten sons of Togarma as follows:
-#  Ungari (either the [[Hungarian people|Hungarians]] or the [[Oghur languages|Oghurs]]/[[Onogurs]])
+#  Ungari ([[Uyghur]])
 #  Tilmac (Tilmic/Tirôsz - [[Tauri]])."
 #  Aliqanosz (the [[Alans]])
 #  Buz (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
 #  Pacinak (the [[Pechenegs]])
-#  Turqi (possibly the [[Göktürks|Kökturks]])
+#  Turqi (Ashina Gögtürks)
 #  [[Kozar]] (the [[Khazars]])
 #  Ragbiga (Ragbina, Ranbona)
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 In the ''[[Chronicles of Jerahmeel]]'', they are listed as:
-# Ugar (either the [[Hungarian people|Hungarians]] or the [[Oghur languages|Oghurs]]/[[Onogurs]])
+# Ugar ([[Uyghur]])
 # Tulmes (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]])
 # Alan (the [[Alans]])
 # Buz (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
 # Pasinaq (the [[Pechenegs]])
-# Turq (possibly the [[Göktürks|Kökturks]])
+# Turq (Ashina Gögtürks)
 # Cuzar (the [[Khazars]])
 # Kanbinah
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 Another medieval [[Rabbinic literature|rabbinic work]], the ''[[Sefer haYashar (midrash)|Book of Jasher]]'', further corrupts these same names into:
-# Ongal ([[Hungarian people|Hungarians]] or [[Oghur languages|Oghurs]]/[[Onogurs]])
+# Ongal ([[Uyghur]])
 # Tilmaz (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]]).
 # Elicanum (the [[Alans]])
 # Bid (the [[Oghuz Turks|Oghuz]])
 # Parzunac (the [[Pechenegs]])
-# Tarki (the [[Göktürks|Kökturks]])
+# Tarki (Ashina Gögtürks)
 # Buzar (the [[Khazars]])
 # Ragbib
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 In Arabic records, Togorma's tribes are these:
-#  Adzîgher (Adzhigardak?).
+#  Andsar (Ajhar) (Uyghur)
 #  Talmisz (Tirôsz - [[Tauri]])
 #  Asz-alân (the [[Alans]])
-#  Andsar (Ajhar)
+#  Adzîgher (Adzhigardak?).
 #  Badsanag (the [[Pechenegs]])
-#  Fitrakh (Kotrakh?) (Ko-etrakh. Etrakh means turks [possibly Gokturks])
+#  Fitrakh (Ashina Gögtürks)
 #  Khazar (the [[Khazars]])
 #  Nabir
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 The Arabic account however, also adds an  11th clan: Anszuh.
 =External links=

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 Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian: თარგამოს/T’argamos
-The classical authors did nt distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The "Thraks" may have also descended from Togarmah.
+The classical authors did not distinguish them from other [[Gomerite Nation|Gomerites]] and simply referred to them rather sloppily as simply "Cimmerians". The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this "Gomerite" extraction, though it is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam. Among the Arsacids, the (Kazakh-Nogay) nation were also known as “Tor-Gom” because they were the offspring of Tiras and Gomer whose descendants belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup CM217. Juansher's "Concise History of the Georgians" goes into detail about how they threw off the yoke of the Nimrodians.
 Written between 458 and 464, Egishe mentions that to the north of the land Chora (the Derbend pass) lived the Hunnic Hajlandur (hajlandur'k) nation. They already had a 'royal clan', that is, tribal aristocracy, and Christianity was beginning to spread among them. They maintained connections with the Kushans. In 454 a young  Hajlandur at the service of the Persian ruler Yazdgird II (438-457) ran away to the Kushans, warned them about the forthcoming Persian attack and thus contributed to the victory of the Kushans.  According to A.D. Gadlo the identification of the Hajlandurs with the Aguandurs is confirmed by a fragment of the history of Egishe, preserved in the 10-th century Armenian author Moses Kagankatvaci, where the country of the Hajlandurs is called Aguandria (Aluandria), that is, country of the tribe Aguandur. These were the Alan Sarmatians often confused with the Ossetian Hebrews (called Khazars by Juansher) of Uovbos.
-The Arcasids of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni Aparnoi] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahae Dahae] were also this extraction. It is not clear whether the Hebrew word פרס refers to this Parthia or to Elam.
+The "Thraks" may have also descended from Togarmah.
 =External links=